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  1. paulflight
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    Weight is going to be a key factor especially on short haul flights, many of which are less than 1 hour and whether the efficiency gains of the new engines will be enough to offset what will be around 2 tons.

  2. Jason
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    That’s a really good analysis approach and makes a lot of sense. Weight is obviously a big part of the analysis and with some airlines now charging passengers based on their weight even more so. What do you see as the big differences with the A350 and 787?

  3. crystal
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    Makes you wonder why all those stupid airlines buy more Neo’s that Max’s

    1. Rchi
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      Availability is probably playing the biggest role right now for the discrepancy. The line starting in 2015 for the 320neo vs 2017 makes all the difference in the world. My guess it will balance out to an even share percentage between Boeing and Airbus and I suspect the Bombardier CS100 to account for less than 15% at EOL of the total market share for all the respective models mentioned above

  4. news max
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    news max

    Great job really! I am a great friend from Boeing 737 Max versus Airbus 320 neo

  5. Ace
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    737 have more seats than 320. Operating empty weight per seat will as a result be lower. Seems to be a biased analysis.

    1. eric
      eric at | | Reply

      Re Ace, good point another wishful comparison down the drain

  6. Free Piano
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    Free Piano

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  7. Dzsoki
    Dzsoki at | | Reply

    I think the above quoted seat capacities are giving false datas about the actual size and capacities of those aircrafts.

    Max seats comparison:
    B737-600 140
    A318 136
    B737-700 149
    A319 160
    B737-800 189
    A320 180
    B737-900 189
    A321 220
    B737-900ER 220
    A321 NEO 236

  8. Free Japan
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    Free Japan

    Excellent read, I just passed this onto a friend who was doing a little research on that. And he actually bought me lunch because I located it for him smile So let me rephrase that: Thanks for lunch!

  9. Paladin
    Paladin at | | Reply

    Ace, the weight per seat accounts for different seating configurations.

  10. paul
    paul at | | Reply

    And the max is catching up steadily in 2014 with 43%-57%neo. In 2013 max had dropped to 38%-62%neo. This tells me that airlines who have taken awhile to decide between the two after the max and neo have both been available 2+ yrs are going for the max.

  11. thomas85225
    thomas85225 at | | Reply

    The Renton Airport only has a 1000 foot runway

    The 737 was design in 1966 base on the 707 of 1958

    The 737MAX will need are redesign tail, reinforce wing, reinforce under carriage, longer landing gear, new engine pylons, new engine nacelles , new larger engine all this will add weight and drag

    737 Max development cost to be twice A320neo: report – 1 …

    http://www.flightglobal.com/…/737-max-development-co…Flightglobal

    Airbus A320neo vs Boeing 737MAX – Orders and … – pdxlight
    http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm

    the 737MAX, 777-X and 787-10 are still on the drawing board

  12. Biggles
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    If you want a ford…buy Boeing. If you want a BMW…..buy Airbus

  13. Rene Abad
    Rene Abad at | | Reply

    You cannot change seat count can you.

    The 737 advantage is also on its width – less drag and less weight, though an inch narrower seats.

  14. Uwe
    Uwe at | | Reply

    Granted, your essay is a nice read.

    Only downside: it has no relation to reality.
    ( But the last paragraph is a direct cite from Randy 😉

    The last time Airbus posted empty weight information
    in its ACAPS document 737-800 and A320 were in balance.

    Yesteryears wingleted NG and fenced A320 were about
    on par NG tops on shorter flights, A320 tops on longer ones.
    Ask any Airline using both.

    The 737MAX will need all the aerotweaks available ( and that is the sole
    reason Boeing spends money on it ) to compensate for more weight gain
    and a less efficient engine. Still runway performance will deteriorate.

  15. Bob
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    Larger passengers will prefer the a320 because of the 1 inch wider seats. If this averages 20 extra pounds per passenger X 150 passengers would add 3,000 lbs to the loaded weight of the aircraft, resulting in poorer fuel efficiency. Boeing would pick up sales if they’d reduce seat width by another inch. Always shifted the less than optimal business to my competition, (drove them wild).

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